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컨센트레이트 바바와 언인트럽트 공격에 대해서

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컨센 바바의 최대 장점은 언 인터럽트 공격이다.

이는 팔라딘의 컨센트레이션 오라가 20% 의 언인트럽트 옵션임에도 불구하고 이 오라를 좋아하는 팔라 유저들이 존재함으로 알 수 있듯이

언인터럽트란 상당히 좋은 효과로 작용한다.

사람들이 늘상 강타와 데들리 오픈운즈 .. 기타 등등의 효과에 대해 이야기 하지만 누구도
컨센트리션의 효과에 대해 논하지 않는다.

20% 컨센 오라가 팔라 유저들에게 어필할 수 있음은 (컨센 오라에 대해 좋은 평을 하는 팔라 유저분들이 있음을 주목하시라 )

거의 100% 에 이르는 컨센 바바의 장점에 대해선 말해 무엇할까요?

보통 디아블로 상의 모든 몹과의 전투는 일대 일인 경우는 드뭅니다.
적게는 10마리 많게는 30-40 마리 까지와의 전투도 벌어지는 게 디아블로 상의 전투의 현 상황입니다.

이런 와중에 100% 에 이르는 언인트럽틀나 엄청나게 많은 일을 할 수 있게 합니다.
1스킬 컨센 으로 몹과 싸워 보십시오 이 스킬이 어떤 원리로 작용하나 보십시오

내가 때리는 스킬은 거의다가 몹에게 날아갑니다.

보통의 스킬은 .. 예를 들어 프렌지의 경우 ..
몹 발견 >> 공격 시도 >> 몹에게 얻어 맞음 >> 공격 취소 >> 다시 공격시도 >> 다시 얻어 맞음 >> 공격 취소 >> 다시 공격 >> 성공 ... ... 이런 구조로 되어 있음다..

하지만 컨센 바바의 경우
몹 발견 >> 공격 시도 >> 몹이 날 때림 >> 무시하고 때림 >> 몹이 또 날 때림 >> 무시하고 또 때림

이런 구조로 되어 있음다 .
이런 구조라도 몹에게 얻어 맞고 때리는 것에 대해서 불만이 있을지도 모릅니다. 인터럽트는 발생하지 않지만
몹에게 얻어 맞음 기분 나쁘죠 .. 그러나 놀랍게도 이 스킬 사용중에는 디펜스도 같이 증가 합니다.. 디펜스 증가.. 몹에게 잘 맞지 않습니다. 다른 스킬 사용에 비해서요

결국 나만 신나게 때리는 경우라고 볼 수 있습니다.

몹에게 맞구 공격이 취소되는 것도 프레임을 요함니다..
다시 공격을 시도하는 것도 프레임을 요구합니다.
한번의 공격에서 몹에게 얻어 맞아 인트럽트가 발생하면 시간적으로 상당히 많은 프레임의 손해를 가져 옵니다.

하지만 컨센 바바의 경우 이러한 시간적인 손해가 적으므로 생각만큼 그렇게 사냥 속도가 느리지 않습니다.
또한 디펜스이 증가로 인해서 몹과의 전투에서 높은 디펜스를 유지하게 됩니다. 더욱 안정적으로 사냥이 가능합니다
게다가 많은 공격 기회를 가지므로 몹에게서 라이프와 마나를 스틸해 오는 것이 가능해 집니다.

인터럽트가 발생해서 10번 스틸을 해 오는 경우라면 컨센 바바의 경우
인터럽트가 발생하지 않아서 15-17 번 정도는 스틸을 해 오지 않을 까 합니다.

지금은 캐릭터가 아직 렙이 적은 관계로 자세히는 설명 못 드리지만
컨센 바바 사람들이 생각하는 것 처럼

몹을 너무 늦게 잡고 답답하기만 한 그런 캐릭은 아니라고 말씀드리고 싶네요
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  • West H.C 2006.03.16 22:46
    음 갑자기 한번 키워보고픈 충동이..
  • K. 2006.03.16 23:24
    컨센바바라..09시절 질딘잡이용으로 키웟던적이있었네요^.^; 나름대로 키워놓고보면 재밌는
  • 레이[A1HL] 2006.03.17 10:12
    듀얼용으로는 상대가 75% 블럭 해버리면 노말 어택 스피드로는 정말 답이 안 나올 것 같구요. 사냥용으로 키운다면 참 특이하고 괜찮은 것 같습니다. 팔라 중에서도 노말 어택 스피드인 어벤져(벤젼스딘)가 생각보다는 제법 사냥을 하는 걸 보면 말이죠.
  • [WS,A2S]전강일 2006.03.17 18:14
    휠윈드도 언인터럽터블이라서 문제지요 ㅡㅡ; 휠이 훨씬 빠릅니다
  • 재미난팔라 2006.03.17 19:42
    훨윈드는 지나가 버리지요 .. 그리고 생각보다 몹 때리는 속도가 빠릅니다.
  • phil 2006.03.18 22:10
    공속만 나온다면 쓸만할지도 모르겠습니다
  • 아이디멋잇지 2006.03.19 16:34
    다수의 몹이랑 싸운다는 전제가 있는데 지나감이 왜 문제가 되는지.. 옆줄로 돌아서 쓰면 지나가면서도 다 맞는데..
  • 아이디멋잇지 2006.03.19 16:35
    휠윈드도 좋고 컨센도 좋다 라는 입장이 되셔야지.. 휠윈드보다 컨센이 낫다 라는건 좀 아니죠..
  • 재미난팔라 2006.03.19 17:21
    중요한 부분이 빠졌네요 몹과의 전투 어떻게 할 것인가 ? Gameplay Tips Well, now you have the build, and you have the gear. So just how do you use them together to traverse the harsh new environment of Hell 1.10? For the most part, the build is pretty straightforward. Enter the battlefield, cast Battle Command twice, then Battle Orders and Shout, and go to it. Concentrate will be your main skill for killing, alternating with Berserk when you go up against a PI. Not too bad. I do have a few pointers though that should help you through some of the tougher parts of the game: 1. Use a Shield I cannot stress this enough. Shields are, literally, a wall at arm’s length. High blocking will allow you to nullify up to 75% of all physical attacks thrown at your character, which includes Meph’s ice orb. Likewise, just because you have huge defense with this build doesn’t mean you’re immortal; there are several enemy types that totally ignore defense, so you need to have something to fall back on to keep from getting whipped. Likewise, on the occasions where you have to use Berserk, your defense drops to 0, so you need to have some sort of protection. Enemies in the patch are much, much more dangerous, and a group of archers can tear you apart before you even get to them; thus, it is now more important than ever to use a shield. Shields likewise provide you with another slot for modifications and socketing, helping you get more ias/cannot be frozen/resists/stats. The benefits of a shield are far, far too great to pass up. 2. Don’t run with sharp objects When heading into a high traffic area: walk, don’t run. When running, your block rate drops to 1/3rd, and your defense drops to 0. If you DO have to make a quick escape, spam Howl first, and then tp out or start running. If pursued by a fast monster, drop down a Grim Ward or two to cover your trail, and keep going. 3. Use provocation to your advantage Ranged attackers are a pain, since you are a melee range warrior and they typically tend to run when you get near them. Counteract this with a health dose of Taunt. That will force any enemy to stop whatever it is doing and walk right up to you, making those Imps, Bone Archers, and Quill Rats, and cat warriors from act 5 a helluva lot easier. It’s also useful on Fallen and other enemies that light to run away when you kill one of their buddies. 4. Crowd Control Techniques Howl and Taunt are two of the BEST tools in your arsenal, and deserve hotkeys. Whenever you find yourself faced with overwhelming odds, just spam a few howls and take care of the mob at your leisure. Practice using the two in tandem, and you’ll find that there truly is nothing in the game that you cannot handle. When facing large groups of enemies headed up by a Might, Blessed Aim, Fanaticism, or Lightning Enchanted unique, use Grim Ward to your advantage. Either attempt to kill off one of the minions, or run back to a previous corpse, then throw one up. That will scare off the troops, leaving you alone with the boss. Then, spam Battle Cry to bring down his damage and defense, and have at 'em. Finally, you occasionally come up against large groups of defense ignoring, fear immune enemies (such as Lister and his minions). If you have max blocking and decent damage/leech, you should be fine, just bunker down, spam your Battle Cry to take their damage and defense down, and wail into them. If you’re not very comfortable with your barb’s stats and gear, however, you’ll want to divide and conquer. Use the terrain to your advantage, separate them off and try and handle one or two at a time. It’s times like these you’ll be glad I told you to get a shield. 5. He’s got your back, you get his Regardless of how aggravating he can be, keep that merc alive. Sure, he may die a lot in the beginning, and cost you a good deal of money, but in time, he will develop into an awesome, awesome side-kick, what with his improved stats in 1.10. Give your merc some good gear, keep him ressed, and do whatever you can to make life easy for him (via taunt and howl), and he’ll pay you off in the long run. 6. Things that will give you trouble, and how to handle them So you’re standing in the Chaos Sanctuary, hacking your way unscathed through a huge horde of undead, whistling merrily and thinking “Man, that Halciet has set me up with a tight build!” when suddenly your life bulb empties and you drop. Wtf?! Iron Maiden is one of only two real dangers to this build. Even with all the defensive measures we’ve taken, you cannot protect yourself from yourself. Any curse slinging enemy can totally screw you over if it throws up Iron Maiden while you are in mid-swing, and unfortunately for us, most of them are immune to Taunt, so you can’t make it come to you. Thus, you must take extra care when venturing into any area inhabited by these creatures. In previous versions of this guide, I suggested using Leap Attack to take care of enemies possessing the capability of casting IM. Unfortunately, it has been brought to my attention that Leap Attack is no longer flagged as a ranged attack, so it will easily get you killed. On the other hand, we’ve learned that magic damage is NOT affected by the curse, and thus Berserk is your quick and easy solution to this problem. Whenever you approach any group of enemies supported by a caster (such as the infamous Oblivion Knights), switch off to Berserk, and bing! - life is good. The gloam-class enemies located in various places throughout the game pose the second threat to our build. Their ranged lightning attack can take you apart in a matter of seconds, and they are often surrounded by a large group of melee-range enemies that will get between you and your quarry. Luckily, the gloams can and should be taunted, which will draw them to you, where they won’t cast their lightning attack. Run into the area spamming howls to disperse any crowds in the area, and then taunt them back one at a time. Make sure you have max lightning resist, and, if you have it, throw on Thundergod’s Vigor for a bit more support. Just don’t let them stay at a distance or they will rip you to pieces, no matter how stout you are. It also helps out a lot if you have a mercenary with “Doom” and/or “Delirium,” as that will slow them down, and a blast of Confuse will get them targeting each other instead of you. Other than that, the only thing you might have trouble with are mobs of Balrogs and such of their type, as their Inferno attack can do a hefty amount of damage. Grim Ward and Howl tactics make them easy enough to deal with, however, so you shouldn’t have any real problems with them once you get the hang of the build. 7. Fighting the Diablo Clone Due to his huge block rate and massive resistances to all physical and elemental attacks, your best bet is to go in with weapon and shield, throw up a Battle Cry, and start whittling away using Berserk. Almost all of his attacks are fire based, so make sure you have this resist maxed, and you’ll want decent lightning resist as well, in order to survive his Armageddon and Lightning attacks. “Prevent Monster Heal” helps out a ton, and when you spawn him, try and do it in an area with weak enemies, like Bishbosh in the Cold Plains. Just make sure you have a good amount of potions (since the Clone is immune to leech), and throw up a portal, and you should be ok. For reference, I’ve soloed him several times, taking an average of about 6 minutes, using 6-9 rejuvs between my merc and myself each time, and neither of us have died yet. He’s nowhere NEAR as tough as everyone makes him out to be, so while you should respect his power, don’t be intimidated. 이 부분 읽어 보시길 바랍니다. 몹과의 전투 아무 생각없이 훨만 도는 바바리안보다는 나름대로의 개성이 있고 재미가 있는 캐릭이 될 거 같네요 .. 그리고 이 캐릭터 키워보지도 않은 사람이 어똫게 이 캐릭의 장점에 대해서 알겠습니까?
  • 재미난팔라 2006.03.19 17:23
    그리고 질문과 답변 부분도 추가 합니다. 읽어 보세요 별로 어렵지 않은 내용입니다. FAQ Q. Is 9fps really worth it? A. It really depends on how wealthy you are. 9 fps is definitely a very nice thing to have, but it usually involves socketing your gear with some extremely valuable jewels and such to get there. It is definitely worth getting there, if you can, but in most circumstances, you should definitely worry more about creating a more balanced and stable character and settle for 10 frames. Q. Two-handed weapon for damage, or a shield? A. While you can get a massive amount of damage with some of the new weapons in the patch, it is my humble opinion that nothing really beats a shield. They just provide you with so much diversity. It provides an extra slot for mods and socketing, as well as nullifying 75% of almost every hit thrown your way. In hardcore or laggy situations, this can mean the difference between life and death, especially in the new environment. Furthermore, the dexterity required to reach max block helps boost your accuracy up a ton, and every 4 points gives you another point of defense. Plus, between Shout, Ironskin, and Concentrate, you can easily add a good 3000-5000 defense to your build with the addition of a shield. Sure, you may kill a bit slower, but patience is a virtue, my child, and it is better to live to deal the damage than to die before you can. Q. Why Bash, and not Ironskin? A. Two reasons: one, synergies do not benefit from +skill items, so if you don’t put points into Bash, you don’t get any real bonus to damage, and Masteries don’t synergize with anything anyways. Two, there are several enemies in the game that totally ignore your defense when attacking, thus there are several occasions where it won’t help you at all. Nothing ignores damage, on the other hand, so more damage is always good, plus harder hits = more life leeched on attack. Besides, if you followed the guide and have decent gear, you should already have a good 24-30k defense anyways. Q. How does howl work? A. The formula for howl is as follows: clvl + skill level + 1. If this total is less than the level of the enemy in question, howl will fail; else, they will run off in terror. Under most circumstances, you should be at a comparable level to your foe in the patch, if you pace yourself, and it is fairly easy to find items with +skills on them, so you should be fine with just one point in howl. On the other hand, if you feel that your howl isn’t working as well as it should, you can consider dropping some points into it (instead of bash), or even going back and leveling in an easier area for awhile. Q. How should I distribute my stats/skills as I level? A. I personally feel that it is the purpose of a guide to give an outline of where one should go with a character, rather than how to get there; it seems to take a lot of fun and personalization out of playing a character if you follow a strictly dictated path of creation. However, since I get a lot of questions about this, I’ll give a rough outline of creation. In the early levels, you should focus mainly on getting your pre-reqs and saving skill points for when you hit higher levels. If you already know exactly what weapon you want to use, you can go ahead and start pumping a mastery; else, you may just want to save those points until later (make sure you save at least 3, so you can pick up Berserk, Battle Command, and Natural Resist as soon as you hit 30). Put a point in all of your general skills as they come available. At 18, pick up Concentrate, and drop a point in it each level through 23. Once you reach 24, you can start heavily pumping BO; this should be the first skill you max, as it will greatly boost your life, and provides more damage per level than Concentrate does alone. After that, I would work on Concentrate until it was finished, and then Shout. Your mastery and bash should come last, as the other skills are much more important to your survival. As for your statistics: strength will be the most important stat early in the game, so for the first two levels, I would go 2 strength/3dex and 3srr/2 dexterity respectively. This will allow you to wear Studded Leather right off the bat. After that, for balanced play, you can drop into the 2-2-1-shift rhythm, where you put 2 points in strength, 2 points in dexterity, and 1 in vitality for a level, then the next level, all the number shift one position to the right (becoming 1 strength, 2 dexterity, 2 vitality, and then 2 strength, 1 dexterity, 2 vitality, and so on and so forth). Do not be afraid to drop full levels into strength or dexterity if needed to use equipment or obtain max block, of course. After awhile, you’ll have enough strength to suit you, and by the end of your character’s career you will have fallen into a 2dex/3vit routine that will keep your life up and blocking maxed. Q. My newbie barb is so poor! What do I do for money? A. There are plenty of things you can sell early in the game to get yourself some cash. Stacks of throwing knives and javelins usually sell for around 460 gold, and magic staves/wands/scepters with +skills can net you several thousand a piece. Likewise, fulminating potions and rings/amulets with +light radius on them are worth a good deal, and more or less useless to your character. Q. How important is max pdr? A. Physical damage reduction is a very nice thing to have when you go up against defense-ignoring enemies, though not as important to your survival as it is in other builds. Try to get as much as you can, but don’t sacrifice other good mods in exchange for a few more %.
  • 재미난팔라 2006.03.19 17:38
    필자가 초승달 룬워드를 언급한 것은 다수의 몹을 빨리 잡기 위한 하나의 방법입니다. 최종적으로는 죽슴을 추천하지만 .. 죽슴을 착용 가능한 사람은 얼마 없을 겁니다.. 초승달에 대해 언급하자면 스태틱필드와 체라 레지 깍기 가 있다는 건 아시죠? 거기에 오픈 운즈에 공속까지 있죠.. 잡옵 빼구요 .. 다수의 몹을 스태틱과 체라 로 처리 가능하죠 아뮬에는 하이로드 착용 해야 하구요 .. 그리고 이 캐릭은 타운트, 베틀 크라이 또는 하울과의 조합하는 식의 전투 방법을 사용합니다. 적의 디펜과 뎀지를 깍고 시작하죠 때리는 것은 거의 다 맞습니다. 엄청난 어레의 효과를 누리는 것이죠 훨윈드의 어레로는 절대로 따라 올 수 없습니다. 20 스킬 어레를 비교해 보자면 훨윈드 : 95% 컨센트레이트 : 165% 입니다. 게다가 베틀 크라이 의 경우 다음과 같은 효과가 있습니다. 1 스킬만으로 적 디펜스 50% 삭감 적 공격력 25% 삭감합니다. 최소 5스킬만 잡더라도 적디펜스 58% 삭감 적 공격력 29% 약화 시킵니다. 보통 5스킬 이상이므로 60% 이상의 디펜이 삭감된 적을 훨윈드에 비해 월등히 나은 어레로서 공격하는 컨센 바바의 경우 거의 적중한다고 보심 됩니다. 잘 때리는 만큼 여러가지 부가적인 이득도 많습니다. 게다가 공격 중에는 엄청난 디펜스 증가치를 보여 줍니다. 캐릭은 나름대로의 강점이 존재하는 법입니다.
  • 왜이카노 2006.03.24 09:34
    그래봐야 해본사람은 휠윈드에 몰표합니다 --;;
  • The_MaSiN 2006.03.26 00:46
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